[Global Network reporter Zhang Xiaoya] The British Financial Times published an interview with Microsoft founder Bill Gates on March 2 in the media's podcast program "Rahman Talks", which talked about the Russia-Ukraine conflict and climate issues. , technology and U.S.-China tensions, among other topics. Program host Rahman said in an interview article that when Bill Gates talked about U.S.-China relations, he mentioned why he believed that the United States’ efforts to restrict China’s technological development were doomed to fail. Gates believed that the United States’ approach would only “force "China spends time and money to make its own chips, and the United States will never be able to successfully prevent China from having powerful chips."

The show's host Gideon Rahman said in the opening paragraph, "I met Gates a few weeks ago at the Munich Security Conference, and we talked about a wide range of topics, from climate issues to the United Nations Sustainable Development Goals...Gate Ci also explains why he thinks the ambition to limit global warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius is now unattainable, but why we shouldn't lose hope in it, and why he thinks U.S. efforts to limit China's technological development are doomed to fail. .”

According to this interview article, the topic started with the Ukraine crisis and ended with the topic of China. In the first part of the interview, Rahman mentioned: "First question, I really want to know your point of view, because I know that you are an internationalist and you believe that technology can change the world. So I remember ten years ago, I had lunch with you and the Financial Times (staff) and you told me, you know, to be positive about the rise of China, the technology that China can create and so on. Now you look at The world, let's look at the sentiment in the United States, they are trying to stop China's technological progress. What do you think of all this? The world is not going the way you want it to go."

"Well, I don't think the United States will ever succeed in preventing China from having powerful chips," Gates replied. "You know, we'll force them to spend time and a lot of money making their own chips." "You know, I hope The United States and China get along better. We seem to be on a downward trend when we have things that are win-wins between all countries in terms of health, innovation, climate innovation, but the world The most important relationship is the U.S.-China relationship. I am disappointed and concerned about the evolution of the relationship between the two countries over the past few years."

Rahman then asked him if he believed that the United States' efforts (to hinder China's technological progress) were unlikely to succeed? Gates responded, “I don’t even understand what that definition of success is for us — whether it’s ensuring that we have fewer jobs in the chip industry, having oversupply in the chip industry, or making Taiwan more attractive. It’s very Complex.”

Rahman continued, "Yes, I think they will say that we are trying to stay independent of China. They say that China is a threat militarily, these things have military uses, and we have to suppress them."

Gates later said, "So if you really think there's going to be a war in the next ten years, then you shouldn't warn them in advance that you're going to cut off their chip (supply)."

Rahman went on to ask, for the American technology industry, for Microsoft, for Google, whoever it is, will this make their survival more difficult?

Gates said that Microsoft's sales in China are not high, but there are some smart Chinese working at Microsoft, so allowing these Chinese to contribute in these fields will matter whether they leave China or stay in China. Will bring huge workforce benefits to the world in the health and software fields. So anything that hinders that will slow it down